That is a really great description of the process with a worked example for people to follow.
I saw this" This “cloud,” unlike the one you now have to pay to be part of and has access to every aspect of your life, is truly open source, simultaneously benefiting everyone 24/7.
When we consider the blessed synchronicities that emerge from trusted third-party connections – finding a job, a mate, a place to live, building a business or project, forming a network – we can only imagine how these trusted networks amplified by trusted technology could accelerate these group and network synchronicities throughout an entire community."
and was struck by the techno-utopian tone. I am minded of the book The Circle (I did not see the film) and the series called Black Mirror. These, although fiction, show how things can go wrong. We see that more and more, but perhaps that magnification is due to a culture of separation. For example we see AI to help people find work actually excludes those who did not use AI and Linked in to make their presence online. And in many cases they are people who have a different race, age, heritage from the algorithm developed one. They become more marginalised and not more included. e.g. dating profiles that prompt the same few men to be proposed to many women and thus make dating culture less about getting to know someone and more about competition in which men can be cruel and women fail to find a satisfactorily deep engagement (at least the research I have seen suggests this is what is happening).
Thanks for giving a lot to chew on. Funny you mention having a "techno-utopian tone." That chapter relates to an attempt to automate what I discovered to be the organic way in which people and networks connect. In that sense it is not utopian, as it requires some "perfect" change to be seen in the future. Maybe One Sphera is Protopian, in that it is something that can be done today.
Yes it can be a lot! I try and respond to what I read, but of course the book is not finished yet. Utopian can be regarded in different ways. Utopian Studies show that some regard it as unrealisable and undesirable and others as a realistic path to aim for even if perfection is not achieved. Techno-utopianism can be neutral or bad or good and in this vein. In my mind was Gartner's Hype Cycle - where you can see technologies transition over time to a more realistic appraisal of their applicability. We can debate about retropian, protopian, dystopian et cetera over any idea.
Here you are talking about a social technology and information management by machine - an ICT (information communication technology). The writing does not make that difference explicit and so a casual reader (not a nit picking academic ;) ) might not make that distinction and thus not be critical of some elements as I am being. I do think that things have moved in this direction - and I share the hacker ethic that information wants to be free.
However, it troubles me to see corporations controlling the data and information that can be learned from it along with governments to shape that narrative of use and ownership. I wonder if we really get a system that everyone benefits from rather than extractive industry? I look for example at health records that are now being mined by big pharma and only this week have we seen the SUPO (Finnish security services) warn that DNA data shared by medical services puts Finns at risk of bad actors. We can look at the benefits admin in some African countries that was then used by the same companies administering benefits to target these vulnerable customers and their families with pressure to take out hardship loans - and the resulting debt problems and loss of welfare which have resulted. A cloud that allows others to exploit individuals or areas for such marketing purposes is strongly in alignment with how many companies operate.
Thanks for sharing this Richard. We have been in Zoom rooms together and this is just another reminder to me that I would love to connect with you one-on-one. This is exactly the kind of solution I was looking for when we were developing https://www.thesource.directory/ - Hopefully when we are both less busy we will be able to connect.
That is a really great description of the process with a worked example for people to follow.
I saw this" This “cloud,” unlike the one you now have to pay to be part of and has access to every aspect of your life, is truly open source, simultaneously benefiting everyone 24/7.
When we consider the blessed synchronicities that emerge from trusted third-party connections – finding a job, a mate, a place to live, building a business or project, forming a network – we can only imagine how these trusted networks amplified by trusted technology could accelerate these group and network synchronicities throughout an entire community."
and was struck by the techno-utopian tone. I am minded of the book The Circle (I did not see the film) and the series called Black Mirror. These, although fiction, show how things can go wrong. We see that more and more, but perhaps that magnification is due to a culture of separation. For example we see AI to help people find work actually excludes those who did not use AI and Linked in to make their presence online. And in many cases they are people who have a different race, age, heritage from the algorithm developed one. They become more marginalised and not more included. e.g. dating profiles that prompt the same few men to be proposed to many women and thus make dating culture less about getting to know someone and more about competition in which men can be cruel and women fail to find a satisfactorily deep engagement (at least the research I have seen suggests this is what is happening).
Thanks for giving a lot to chew on. Funny you mention having a "techno-utopian tone." That chapter relates to an attempt to automate what I discovered to be the organic way in which people and networks connect. In that sense it is not utopian, as it requires some "perfect" change to be seen in the future. Maybe One Sphera is Protopian, in that it is something that can be done today.
Yes it can be a lot! I try and respond to what I read, but of course the book is not finished yet. Utopian can be regarded in different ways. Utopian Studies show that some regard it as unrealisable and undesirable and others as a realistic path to aim for even if perfection is not achieved. Techno-utopianism can be neutral or bad or good and in this vein. In my mind was Gartner's Hype Cycle - where you can see technologies transition over time to a more realistic appraisal of their applicability. We can debate about retropian, protopian, dystopian et cetera over any idea.
Here you are talking about a social technology and information management by machine - an ICT (information communication technology). The writing does not make that difference explicit and so a casual reader (not a nit picking academic ;) ) might not make that distinction and thus not be critical of some elements as I am being. I do think that things have moved in this direction - and I share the hacker ethic that information wants to be free.
However, it troubles me to see corporations controlling the data and information that can be learned from it along with governments to shape that narrative of use and ownership. I wonder if we really get a system that everyone benefits from rather than extractive industry? I look for example at health records that are now being mined by big pharma and only this week have we seen the SUPO (Finnish security services) warn that DNA data shared by medical services puts Finns at risk of bad actors. We can look at the benefits admin in some African countries that was then used by the same companies administering benefits to target these vulnerable customers and their families with pressure to take out hardship loans - and the resulting debt problems and loss of welfare which have resulted. A cloud that allows others to exploit individuals or areas for such marketing purposes is strongly in alignment with how many companies operate.
Thanks for sharing this Richard. We have been in Zoom rooms together and this is just another reminder to me that I would love to connect with you one-on-one. This is exactly the kind of solution I was looking for when we were developing https://www.thesource.directory/ - Hopefully when we are both less busy we will be able to connect.
Great to hear from you. What an awesome directory you’ve already made. I’m at rflyer2@yahoo.com